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User Bennypanjaitan2[edit]

Bennypanjaitan2 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user Uploading self portrait and claiming to be president of Indonesia. I warned him but all his uploads should be deleted. Pierre cb (talk) 04:30, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Partly done - no activity since they were warned. I have deleted the files, not sure there is more to do here.Gbawden (talk) 06:39, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User Bennypanjaitan2 part 2[edit]

Bennypanjaitan2 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user has been warned multiple times on December 10th about uploading selfies and claiming he is a President. I a section above, all these uploads have been deleted by @Gbawden: (see #User Bennypanjaitan2) but he comes back today with a new photo. This user should be blocked indefinitely. Pierre cb (talk) 05:00, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have given a stern warning; the previous ones were mild. One more such upload and I think a block is in order. - Jmabel ! talk 05:13, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Disruptive mass reversions[edit]

Donkeydude24 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user

They reverted many files to a previous version without any explanation at all, sometimes doing multiple reversions back-to-back on a single file. Could be related to TylerKutschbach as shown by reversions to versions made by the latter in File:Arizona Presidential Election Results 2020.svg, File:2021 Virginia gubernatorial election results map by county.svg, and others. Twotwofourtysix (talk) 12:06, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. I blocked the user indefinitely as sock of Tyler Kutschbach, but did not revert anything. Taivo (talk) 15:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Taivo: looks like there's another sock: Patriots9033 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) . Elli (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Blocked as well, ~~will work on rolling back edits~~ nevermind, Elli already handled it. Please let us know if this behaviour continues with other accounts. — Huntster (t @ c) 22:40, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Huntster: here's another one doing the same stuff: Sox589 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) . Elli (talk) 02:08, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Thank you for the notice, Elli. — Huntster (t @ c) 02:56, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Huntster: and another: Icecream441 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) Elli (talk) 17:39, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Indeffed, thanks. --Achim55 (talk) 18:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Achim55: Thanks for blocking. Would you please consider granting me rollback, btw? It's very frustrating to have to revert these one-by-one. Elli (talk) 19:24, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Elli, you're welcome! And thanks a lot for helping out! Cheers, Achim55 (talk) 19:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Achim55: ofc! There's another one now, btw: DogFood1161 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) . Elli (talk) 21:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Already done by Pi, Denver606 also done by ACN. --Achim55 (talk) 09:15, 14 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:IAskWhatIsTrue Personal attacks[edit]

IAskWhatIsTrue (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

in this diff, IAskWhatIsTrue accuses me of dishonesty in block capitals. I find this defamatory, and a personal attack. They have been blocked previously in enwiki for personal attacks against another editor. I present this here for context. They are objecting about my nominating their uploads for deletion. They are entitled to do so but must remain civil 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 22:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, you launched a personal attack. You said I had "language issues" IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 22:38, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You launched an attack that I somehow do not have proper command of the English language- sounds like a personal attack. You're not on the right side- you're on the wrong one. IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 22:39, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WHATIS - dishonesty is not something mentioned in the commons as a "personal attack" , rather you launch a personal attack against me claiming falsely I have "language issues" as if my command of the English language is subpar- This is the personal attack. IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 22:44, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment To assist those reviewing this to find my comment about language, it is in this diff]. 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 22:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can find Timtrent launch the personal attack against me here

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_uploaded_by_IAskWhatIsTrue

by using the "find" functionality in your browser and search for "language issues" - where clearly you will see Timtrent launches a false personal attack against me in which he claims my command of the English language is subpar as if I'm a foreigner or something IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 22:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@IAskWhatIsTrue: really, that wasn't an attack as far as I can tell. He was (correctly) pointing out that you had already been directed to the right place and was allowing for the possibility that maybe the reason you hadn't understood was a language issue. But I can see from your obviously fluent English here that there was some other reason you had not done what you had already been clearly told to do. - Jmabel ! talk 22:57, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"other reason" what? You presume, why don't you be explicit instead of presuming I have ulterior motives - I read the COM:VRT, guess what it said?

It said nothing needed to be done... I read the page and it said that since I made the photos nothing needed to be done.

So why don't you be explicit to what "other reason" you are referring to cause I got no clue IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 23:00, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The nominations for deletion should be simply removed and more people should be voicing that the educational photos be kept rather than going with the false deletion request. IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 23:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jmabel It most assuredly was not a personal attack upon the uploader. Rather, it was to seek to reassure the future closer of the deletion discussion that every effort had been made to accommodate the uploader's apparent lack of action, and was a courtesy also to the uploader, pointing them to Google Translate in the event that they might wish to or need to use it. Their fluent use of English has shown that my thoughts, made with goodwill, were not necessary. In case the uploader remains offended by what I believed to be my courtesy to them I apologise unreservedly for using words that appear to have been susceptible to being interpreted as offensive. 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 23:22, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't need an apology. You should mention to the "future closer of the deletion request" you made a real mistake. IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 23:45, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"other reason" do you project - is it that Timtrent has an "other reason" why he submits a false deletion request- not in the interests of wikipedia - but some "other reason" that no one talks about? IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 23:46, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you'd like to see a good article on wikipedia it'd be appreciated if you went on to deletion request and say that the pictures should be kept because timtrent's deletion requests are unfounded.

TimTrent claims there is a copyright issue - there isn't

TimTrent claims See COM:VRT. Potential copyright violation. COM:PCP, yet these are NONISSUES-

So mistakes should be admitted, since Jmabel is aware of issue i'd appreciate a vote of "keep" for the interests of wikipedia a good truthful article with relevant pictures gets published in its fullest potential quality. IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 23:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@IAskWhatIsTrue: The photo has no copyright of its own, because it is a faithful representation of 2-dimensional work. The copyright belongs to the artist. That is probably you, but we so far have no way to know that. VRT is our only organized way to have someone confidentially verify the identity of an account. To have any possibility of keeping these images, you need to go through that process. I don't think I'm telling you anything new here, though, and it is absolutely no problem for me if you refuse to cooperate with normal processes and the images are deleted on that basis. - Jmabel ! talk 00:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you go and complain about every self-upload image... no so why this one? you know the answer. Tim trent chose to do this by this point - you chose to side with him - as did others- your choice. You pretend you don't know what's going on yet you know precisely why you are choosing not to side with what is clearly Ai generated pictures you'll find no where else on the internet. IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 00:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment those checking their global account information will notice that they have now been indeffed on enwiki for reasons stated in their block. Obviously this does not, of itself, set any precedent for Commons. 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 00:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No I was NOT banned for the reasons stated in the block, I was banned because TimTrent and others doesn't want to see an Arabid slavery article published . Why is that ? Is there a reason... there is and YOU know it, I know it, GOd Himself Yahweh knows it IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 00:53, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You chose this morning to file a false complaint about newly updated photos on December 11

You also chose when clearly was presented to you how to change your mistake, you CHOSE not to fix your mistake.

God knows best- you know these are AI photos - and yet you tried to sabotage this after having a WEEK to think over your mistakes and the conflcit of interst of Elias even after I emailed you details - you made these CHOICES - so don't lie as to why you're acting why you've acted by this point. IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 00:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:IAskWhatIsTrue#to_someone_outside_wikipedia

the false groupthink i refer to here goes back more than decades but goes back before the Vietnam war to various unnaturalisms IAskWhatIsTrue (talk) 01:12, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have indef'ed the user here on commons for their behavior here on commons: repeated personal attacks and assumptions of bad faith, even against those trying to help them work through our policies and procedures related to copyright (one of the most important sets of policies we have here). I note that this is the same behavior and result as on enwiki and that the behavior continued here even after they got blocked on enwiki, but I reiterate that the block here easily stands on its own. DMacks (talk) 01:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good block. I've closed the DR. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm grateful. I never regret trying to help someone, but this came close. I hope they use the block to think, and return as a useful contributor after a successful appeal. I fear that will not happen. 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 08:35, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for doing you best. Next round of beer or coffee’s on me. DMacks (talk) 13:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Low chance of personal attack in the diff indicated in the request. Unnecessary indefinitely block (as this is the first block). Admin abuse. Matlin (talk) 13:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Matlin: I'm not the one who blocked, but this is not just a matter of personal attacks, it's a matter of asking for help, getting what they asked for, and then having no willingness to behave accordingly, instead continuing an argument. Anyone doing that is unlikely to become a useful contributor. - Jmabel ! talk 05:15, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I stand by my block. Commons:Blocking_policy#Appealing_a_block is linked and available. It entails "acknowledgement that the block was appropriate and a credible promise that the behaviour that led to the block will not be repeated", which is pretty much the opposite of anything I and others had seen so far, despite advise from multiple editors in multiple fora over more than a week. Therefore, there is not a reasonable prognosis of change in any known limited timeframe. The block prevents disruption. Indefinite-block is not a perma-ban. If the editor chooses to make an explicit commitment to change, they are welcome to do so.DMacks (talk) 19:50, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi all, this user is locked. Lemonaka (talk) 12:38, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

More socks[edit]

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TylerKutschbach and the users' revert-uploads to Commons. Might consider page protections at this point. Twotwofourtysix (talk) 04:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Twotwofourtysix: Can you please provide the names of the socks active on Commons? Thanks, Yann (talk) 08:53, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Donkeydude24, Patriots9033 and Wizard949 are all active, although only the last one isn't currently blocked. Twotwofourtysix (talk) 08:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done Blocked. Yann (talk) 09:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

SinghIsFxing[edit]

SinghIsFxing (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

So called "new user" making disparaging comment(s). Most probably a sock. Yann (talk) 10:13, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is "fair comment" as I see it. User:Yann is not a native speaker of English, so is possibly not familiar with the idiom I used Wikipedia. It can be clearly seen from this citation that this is not a disparaging comment. SinghIsFxing (talk) 11:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment I don't see an issue with what was said. No comment on whether they are a sock or not Gbawden (talk) 12:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, this is not a nice comment. Yann (talk) 12:33, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No need to take any action. Matlin (talk) 13:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree with Yann: most probably this is a sockpuppet, but I do not know, whose. Taivo (talk) 08:56, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am not a new user of Mediawiki software. I contribute to 3 other wikis, including Scholarpedia and the LII-Wex. SinghIsFxing (talk) 16:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This user is also the subject of Commons:Administrators' noticeboard#Commons:Deletion requests/File:Viona Ielegems at the victorian picnic 2009.jpg. Brianjd (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is sheer harassment because I don't share this editor's point of view in a deletion review. SinghIsFxing (talk) 13:44, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Info This user created in Dezember 8 2022 on english wikipedia is already blocked there as as a sockpuppet of User:Lord Alan B'stard, one user blocked for "Clearly not here to build an encyclopedia", i.e. harassement of other users and had already four unblocks requests denied Tm (talk) 18:25, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is even more harassment over the same difference of opinions. At least 2 of those links do not refer to me or my account and are prejudicial. Furthermore, can you explain why, the same norms do not apply to say User:Fæ who was an admin on EN-WP and was repeatedly blocked over there but continued here to make 7 million uploads and 10 million edits, and has always been an editor in good standing on this project (as I also am). SinghIsFxing (talk) 00:56, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you think they're a sock, raise a sock investigation through the usual channels. Otherwise don't cast such aspersions on other editors. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:13, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I happen to be following this user because of that DR issue, and was surprised to see Yann add a sockpuppet tag to that user’s page with no conclusion here (naturally, the tag was removed by that user who claimed there was no evidence). Brianjd (talk) 00:29, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Evidence from the English Wikipedia is sufficient for us. It was already evident that SinghIsFxing is a sock, and this account is not blocked yet only because the master account is not active here. Yann (talk) 12:00, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Evidence from the English Wikipedia is sufficient for us."

Well that's a major policy change. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:48, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, it has been like this since checkusers exist. Yann (talk) 15:04, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For now I do not see a reason for blocking this account. Of course this kind of deletion discussing only sockpuppet account is dubios and not so helpful. But there is also no really harmful behavior of this account. So for now a warning and kindly request for using the main account would be sufficient. GPSLeo (talk) 15:09, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yann has a personal animosity with me in IRL. He should therefore disclose his Conflicts of Interest, and if he brings up English wikipedia, then also things like his Undisclosed Paid Editing on Jai Jagat 2020. Finally, there is absolutely no evidence of any SOCKPUPPETRY for this account/user, either here or on EN-WP. SinghIsFxing (talk) 17:19, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is complete bullshit. I don't know SinghIsFxing IRL, and IMO this false claim in itself is a good reason for a block. Yann (talk) 18:29, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yann You have a serious conflict of interest situation for your undisclosed paid editing over at EN-WP. Explain this and this for a start. Also, I never claimed I "knew" you. I clearly informed you on your talk page that we both attended certain events/meetings but never interacted personally (for reasons you would know best). You can easily figure out my IRL identity from my earlier comments on COM:AN and ANU SinghIsFxing (talk) 19:30, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2405:4802:1CD:D40:C518:5AD2:F112:B168[edit]

2405:4802:1CD:D40:C518:5AD2:F112:B168 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

Obviously another sock of Musée Annam, Qiure, Đăng Đàn Cung, Enevn and so on. A longer ban is needed. 源義信 (talk) 17:10, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I blocked 2405:4802:1CD:D40:000:000:000:000/64 for 2 weeks. Yann (talk) 19:31, 13 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:CCPERosario uploaded hundreds of photos but did not categorize them[edit]

CCPERosario (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)
User:CCPERosario uploaded hundreds of photos but did not categorize them (that a few have a proper category was thanks to others), see Special:ListFiles/CCPERosario. Three weeks ago I have tried to reach him/her by the Talk page, but there was no respons. What to do? JopkeB (talk) 14:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's allowed to upload images, without adding a category. I once was adding categories to files and saw something like this. The answer I got surprised me: I could do nothing about it. For me, it was a reason to stop adding categories. (I was looking for categories for files without, in on a special page) Of course I always add categories to my files. :) - Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 22:39, 15 December 2022 (UTC) PS I don't know if anything changed in the years, or someone knows more than I do, but I don't think you can blame the user imho.Reply[reply]

I indeed cannot find a policy about this matter. And it would be sad if we can do nothing about this problem. I thought that every uploader is responsible for his/her own uploads to categorize them. And that files will be deleted after several years if they still are in a category Media needing categories (and the files are not used in a Wikipedia project). We can be tolerant for uploaders who only upload a few files, especially when they were uploaded to be used in other WP projects, but I have no sympathy for uploaders who just upload hundreds of photos without adding proper categories. If I remember well, earlier this year someone was blocked for going on with uploading many photos without adding categories. JopkeB (talk) 05:08, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is certainly not actively good behavior, but it's not a reason for a disciplinary action. Basically, when uploaders do this, their photos are a lot less useful (but still better than nothing). - Jmabel ! talk 05:19, 16 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JopkeB Descriptions? Licenses? Categories? Structured data? We try to pack too many weird things into our upload process, and we don’t even do a good job of handling them individually, let alone collectively. How about we stop blaming users for the outcomes of a bad system, and start focusing on the basics? Brianjd (talk) 01:58, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The problem is, that these photos have no structured data about the content, some have poor descriptions (see for instance the ones with agriculturaurbana*, without any clue about a location) and only a few of them have a category. How can you find them when you need them? The goal/purpose of Commons is to have media that are reusable by others. Then the "others" have to be able to find them. Commons has nearly 90 million media. I think that then there should be some kind of content structure to be able to find the ones you need, and that the category structure is a good tool for that purpose. The Commons policy is: "You should always put your uploads into categories and/or gallery pages according to topic, so your contributions can be found and used by others." Until this policy changes, I shall conform to it and encourage others to do the same. And for me categories are better for this purpose than gallery pages, which I consider as extras (and these photos are not in gallery pages either). Commons is maintained by volunteers. You cannot expect them to categorize nearly two thousand files of one uploader. Yes, I agree, we ask a lot of uploaders, but we do that with a purpose. And Commons is not non-committal like Flickr or Facebook. You cannot just dump thousands of photos on Commons and not look properly after them. JopkeB (talk) 05:29, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JopkeB You can make all the policies you want; it is pointless if users don’t understand them or it is too hard to follow them. And what is the policy here anyway? ‘Should’ is not the same as ‘must’. There are many things that users should do. Brianjd (talk) 07:21, 19 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Verdy p[edit]

Hello. Can anyone help with this? User:Verdy p is including templates with red links and duplicate links on many pages, like here and here. To me this doesn't look good at all. Is he right to do this? He keeps reverting my edits. Regards, tyk (talk) 13:14, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Red links are there on purpose (with a parameter may be be turned on for maintenance, or off if the contents are stable and complete) that signals missing categories (frequently they should exist, and have members, but no description pages, so new files cannot fit there and remain categorized at wrong or missing levels). This is like this since long, and allows maintenance when there 's a need for adapting a change in category schemes: the links are still there even if not all members remain in that category (sometimes some members disappear without reason, but they are still detectable in the navbox). These navboxes have greatly impoved the consistency of categories on Commons, in terms of structure/topology and in terms of naming (e.g. to enforce a naming convention or when there's a need to restructure, e.g. when there are administrative changes in countries, or new topics needing their own scheme that should preserve the existant, even if they are historic topics). Note that the "all=1" parameter displays some alternate names on purpose: this allows detecting missing redirections or unifying inconsistant names, or names that need disambiguation sometimes; this approach is also used in Catnav and all other existing horizontal navboxes since very long. Appaerntly you've not understood their interest and are just discovering them. And your links shown above clearly demonstrate the need of maintenance on those categories and the interest of having such navbox for downward navigations where we expect to see missing members! verdy_p (talk) 13:18, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also don't reverse the charge: you are the one that reverted multiple times the maintenance edits that were ongoing. verdy_p (talk) 13:32, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oddballslover[edit]

Oddballslover (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

overwriting, reverting, ... Isderion (talk) 18:00, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done Blocked for a week. Yann (talk) 18:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Images no longer display.[edit]

Images no longer display-- only getting broken image icon throughout. Did Wiki change the image code to make older OS obsolete??? please return images to previous or provide work-arounds 2601:281:4100:110:0:0:0:61C3 23:24, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wrong venue, should be posted at COM:VP/T with a description of the issue, the browser (and version) you’re using and the operating system it is on. Bidgee (talk) 00:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]